set its sights on developing the technology to go wherever we need to go. i would like to see the i.s. set its sights on developing the propulsion system that will take us where we need to go. the first step is go someplace like mars or go to an asteroid. a further step from where wehav. but we need to develop -- the technology development is the key to the whole thing. >> in the special coming up this weekend on fox, we hear astronauts talk about the experience of going to the moon. as always it sound rap sodic when they remember it. for many it was a religious experience. what was it like for you? >> it's interesting that jim irwin who flew with me on apollo 15 became an evangelist and he gave testimony about feeling the presence of god on the moon. that may be absolutely correct but i have a different take. i said if you can feel the presence of god on the moon, why can't you feel it here on earth. did you feel like you were closer to him by going to the moon. some had a religious experience, others it was just another flight. i'm somewhere in the middle